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Today, I am back to talk about genetics with Dr. Erica Gray, and we’re diving into the specifics every parent needs to know before having their children or themselves genetically tested. Dr. Gray is a wealth of knowledge when it comes to genetics. She’s the founder and chief medical officer of Toolbox Genomics and a UCSF-trained pharmacist with years of experience uniting allopathic and alternative medicine for the best health outcomes.
In the episode, we delve into things like privacy concerns, what to look for in different tests, how to get the most use and benefit from your test, understanding your results, interpreting them, and creating positive changes. She points out the importance of understanding our own genes to create the best outcomes in our own lives.
We cover some fascinating information about genes in this one. I hope you enjoy this episode.
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Katie: Hello and welcome to the Wellness Mama podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and I am back today with Dr. Erica Gray to talk about what every parent should know before having their children or themselves genetically tested. Specifically, we delve into things like privacy concerns, what to look for in different tests, why she recommends avoiding the cancer specific ones, how to get the most use and benefit from your test and understanding your results, interpreting them, and creating positive changes.
And I met Dr. Erica at a conference in real life last year, but we’ve known each other online for a very, very long time. And she is a wealth of knowledge when it comes to genetics. She is the founder and chief medical officer of Toolbox Genomics and a UCSF trained pharmacist with years of experience uniting allopathic and alternative medicine for the best health outcomes.
And she has specific amazing knowledge related to genetics and how we can understand our own to create the best outcomes in our own life. And I love her perspective and all the things we dive into in this one, including things like for instance, choline and how it was absolutely life changing for me. So let’s jump in and learn from Dr. Erica. Dr. Erica, welcome back. Thanks for being here again.
Dr. Gray: Thanks for having me again, Katie.
Katie: Well, I’ll make sure our first episode is linked in the show notes for any of you guys who missed it. That was fascinating conversation about genetics and how certain genes can really help you understand and really make a difference with your children’s behavior and how they interact with you.
And in this one, I want to go into some kind of side notes related to that and questions I would guess parents might have after listening to that first episode. So this one is going to be all about what every parent should know before having their kids or I would say themselves genetically tested. And I know there’s a lot of directions to go in this but I would actually love to start with the privacy part of this conversation because I know that’s a concern for a lot of people and especially I would think for parents when having our kids genetics tested is like, where is that information going and what’s going to be done with it? And how can we make sure it’s safe?
So I guess this could be a whole topic in and of itself. But talk to us about understanding privacy concerns when it comes to genetic testing and how to avoid any issues there.
Dr. Gray: So this is a huge hot button topic right now, especially because of that breach that happened with 23andMe recently, and a lot of people were really upset and felt violated about it. So I think an important thing to think about is every single sample that you send in to a DNA testing company is de-identified, and it is simply tracked by it with a barcode. So if a company gets hacked, so to speak, or not, so to speak, it actually does get hacked, they are simply getting information. They’re getting an A, a C, a T, or a G. They’re getting a chromosome placement. They’re getting an RSID. And they’re getting somebody’s barcode number.
It is difficult to try to take that information and make conclusions about it in a wide range negative capability. However, you can mine that data to look for different trends. You can look at are certain people, do certain people have certain genes, and then you can go into the literature and do, you know, look at some things like pharmacogenomics, which is how our body breaks down different medications and see are there certain populations that are going to require different changes in dosages, which is what 23andMe was trying to do. They were trying to create a pharmaceutical company around genetics.
So, this is not information about your paternity. This is not information about HIV. In fact, you probably share more information, more personal relevant information when you email lab work back and forth, which people do all the time.
I think it’s important to realize that everything is de-identified. The question is then what is done with your data? Every company is different. We do not do anything with it. We don’t even mine it. It literally sits in a HIPAA compliant server where everything is encrypted. And we’ve actually gone through and encrypted everything line by line just for an extra privacy protection purpose.
I once upon a time was really concerned about privacy. And so I always opted out of everything. So that’s an important thing to think about is that this is all buried in the terms and conditions that nobody wants to read. But the things you’re looking for is permission to do research on it. So if you agree to research, that does mean often data mining where they can go through and look at it. The other one is third party utilization. So some companies will bundle all that de-identified data and they may send it off to a third party to take a look at what else you can do with it.
Now, I actually think we’re probably the most guilty of it because we like to take our raw data and send it off to different companies and have them create different reports for us. And so even though we work really hard to protect your privacy and protect your data, if you request the raw data, which every company should give it to you, we will give it to you, and you go and you send it to a place like sequencing.com, they now have that data and what they do with that data is again in their terms and conditions. So it’s just important to remember that when you’re uploading it to different places to interpret your data, you are now entering into a whole new set of terms and conditions.
So my suggestion is if you’re really concerned you can use an alias on your genetic testing and that’s completely fine. If you’re doing an epigenetic test which does depend on your birth date, do not lie on your birth date because you will be really distraught with the results that come back or elated. But they won’t be accurate. So and then you can sometimes some places will let you just use initials as well. And you can create a separate email address that’s just for it. But I feel like after everything I’ve seen and all in what you actually get with the data and what you can do with it I am less concerned with it. But again, I would be more cautious about where that data where I would send that data.
Katie: That’s great to know. And that makes sense. And hopefully puts some people’s minds at ease after that recent data breach. But that’s also good suggestions on things like using an alias and at least making sure your birthday is pretty accurate, even within like a couple of days, I would guess, even if you don’t put your actual birthday, but using an alias in a separate email, if you’re concerned about those kinds of things, I know my brother, for instance, who is in, kind of tech and security, not done genetic testing for those very reasons that you mentioned. So for him, like working with extrapolated from knowing my parents and knowing mine and like what might probabilistically be most helpful for him. But it’s good to know that there are now much safer options like you guys where you can get that tested with peace of mind and that really it’s kind of the things we send ourselves that are actually potentially the most of a security breach, not the testing itself.
Katie: I know we talked about a lot of kind of different genes in the first episode. For this one, I would love to also delve into like, what can genetic testing tell us and what can’t it tell us? Like, um, I know it’s an amazing resource and tool and also that it has its limitations. So for parents who are doing this for their kids or for themselves, what can we expect to be able to learn and what are the limits of that?
Dr. Gray: Great question. And I just wanted to quickly touch back on that privacy question. Paternity testing, so that, I think some of those do go into banks that are accessible. And also, if anyone is arrested and they take a genetic sample, those do go into searchable banks. So just if you, if this is something that you are self-selecting, be aware of what you’re self-selecting for versus something that may be required from a law perspective as well.
Anyhow, what can genetic testing tell you and what can’t it tell you? So one of the big requests that we get right now is the BRCA gene. So people want to know their risk for cancer. The thing is, is that when you use a screening tool, so that’s everything that we’ve been talking about is a health and wellness screening tool. It’s not a diagnostic. The way that the testing is done is a little bit different from what a diagnostic. So, if you are interested in cancer, or you have a history of hereditary cancer or family, anything like that, or even chromosome abnormalities like Huntington’s, cystic fibrosis, those are inherited, you really want to use a diagnostic test. Don’t use a screening test, because what ends up happening is that how it is read on these arrays, it doesn’t go as deep, and you want it to go as deep as possible these diagnostics.
So what ends up happening is that we really discourage people and we do not offer cancer testing, cancer screening, I should say, on our tests because there is that small .1 percent chance of giving someone a false positive. And, if you do use this, choose to use a screening test, because I know 23andMe has, does offer some of the BRCA genes, what ends up happening is that if it comes back positive, you’re going to go need to get a diagnostic test. And if it comes back negative, but you have a family history, then the recommendation would be, you should probably go get a diagnostic test.
So it’s really important to know what you’re using it for. It is phenomenal for health and wellness. It has gotten I would say robust enough that we can start getting into some of the neurodegenerative conditions, things like Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s. Again, always remembering that any of these conditions, this is simply that blueprint that has been laid out, how you choose to live your life, the choices you make, what time you go to bed, what you put into your mouth, your microbiome, the toxins, light and dark, the circadian rhythm that you expose your body to is all going to really heavily influence those genes and how they express themselves.
The other one is pharmacogenomics. So that’s gotten a lot more publicity of late. So that is going to tell you how you break down your medications. And then between the FDA and another database called CPIC, which are based on the package inserts that the pharmaceutical companies have done, they have shown that people with certain CYP enzyme genetics, so whether you’re a fast metabolizer or a slow metabolizer, you may be more inclined to break down a medication slower or faster, which is going to lead to a dosage adjustment.
This is something that you will always want to do with a practitioner. Do not try to this on yourself or DIY this, because that’s, it’s just really, really important. You have someone who’s knowledgeable in this area and who’s guiding you with it. But none of these are actually going to be diagnostic. And again, even if you have some of these genes, that does not mean it is actually going to happen.
So, I think a great one is there’s a gene that looks at lactose intolerance. And so a lot of times people will look at that and they say, well, it’s not accurate because I’m still sensitive to dairy. Well, that’s looking at lactose specifically. Do you make the enough of the lactase to break down the lactose, but there’s also casein sensitivity. And so you may be hypersensitive to the casein component of the milk and it’s not the lactose. The other part of it is that perhaps you’ve taken a whole bunch of antibiotics, and you have a leaky gut, or you don’t have the proper bacteria there to help you support your gut and to break down these different components of the dairy and that’s why you’re sensitive.
So I’ve seen people sometimes get frustrated and say, well, it doesn’t apply to me. It’s not accurate because they’re not looking at the other aspects that go into either the influence on our genetics or simply what the genetics can’t test for yet. And maybe that’s a better test for like a food allergy test or a microbiome test.
Katie: That’s an awesome primer, and I would guess now like it would be helpful to delve into, it makes sense to me avoiding the cancer testing related ones and the potential downsides of that. But there are so many options out there when it comes to genetic testing. And I know you’ve developed a specific one for this, but can you walk people through kind of what are the available options and what to be aware of when you’re evaluating getting a genetic test in light of all those things you just explained?
So the first place I always like to look is first of all, how accessible are the people because sometimes you have a question or you have a child that you’re trying to swab. So, you know, for example, like, we have the ability to do a chat. You can make appointments with our different clinicians. You can make an appointment with me. This is a really important step in your health journey, and so I just think it’s really important that the company you choose is available to help you in that, not only at the beginning, but also at the end.
Asking the questions, what do they do with the data? Can I destroy my data? What does the lab do with the data? Because most labs are pretty good. They destroy it after two to three months, but some of them might hold on to it. And so that’s just, you know, it’s a quick email. You can ask them that. And honestly, with ChatGPT, you can take these terms and conditions and throw them in there and say, put it into layman’s terms and show me where there’s some particular concerns in what this company may do with my data or how they may protect my data.
Ease of use. You know, sometimes you have to do a saliva collection. So for example, for our epigenetic kits, it has to be a saliva collection because you need more data. So if you have a young child who’s going to have a difficulty spitting into a tube, then that’s probably not the right test for them. And you, you’re going to want to use one where you can get a cheek swab. And we have both on those.
Also then how does the data come out? What can you do with it? And so I think a really important thing to highlight is a lot of times people will get the information, they go, well, that wasn’t revolutionary. That wasn’t radical and super personalized to me. But the thing you got to remember is that there’s only so many things that we can adjust. And sometimes it, yes, the Mediterranean diet has been really well studied. So there’s a lot of research on it. So there tends to be, it tends to be heavier weighted in a lot of people get that recommendation.
Sometimes people say, well, I already knew I was a slow caffeine metabolizer, so that’s not very illuminating. Well, but if you understand that caffeine has an average half-life of six hours and now, you’re slow. So you probably may not want to make it like 12 to 18. That means you’re drinking your coffee at seven or eight o’clock in the morning and that’s it. And then people will say, yes, but I still go to sleep. But are they actually monitoring their sleep? Do they actually get, has their deep sleep been affected? Has their REM sleep been affected?
So there’s a lot of nuances that will, and I hear this a lot of times with people. This is why I think it’s super important to just work with a company that at least is going to give you some training or some guidance because it’s easy to look at the results and say, well, that was a waste of money. It didn’t help me because you really do need to delve into it and personalize it and then think about your life, what you’re doing. And then pair that up with the results.
And then sometimes people just don’t want to face the reality of what the results are saying, and they don’t want to make those changes. And so they were hoping for some kind of silver bullet that would save the day. And I remember I had one lady who set up an appointment with me. She hadn’t bought a test, and she was significantly overweight. She said, I really wanna get rid of my cellulite. And she said, what genetic tests should I take?
And I’m watching her drink orange juice. I’m watching her eat all this processed food. And I said, I really don’t think there’s any genetic tests that’s going to help you. I just think that it would be great for you to work with a nutritionist. And she said, no, no, no, no. I’ve worked with this company and that company. And I said, well, have they told you anything? And she goes, well, they just tell me I have blood sugar issues and that I need to change how I sleep. And I said, okay, but I just, the, our genetic test isn’t going to be able to help you. Because in my head, I was going, you’re not even open, you’re not ready for that change. So we’re going to give you this information and you’re going to say, well, that didn’t make a difference.
So sometimes you’re not just not ready for that genetic test and for that information to actually look at yourself in the mirror and ask those hard questions about what you need to change in your life as well.
Katie: That’s such a good point as well. And I’m glad you touched on the caffeine one, because I feel like that one’s a place where there can be a whole lot of variation and there seemingly are those people who can at least perceive that they can drink caffeine at nine o’clock at night and sleep great. And then people like me, I am on that much more sensitive and tend to only drink caffeine until about 9am at the latest. If I want to have really good sleep. I would actually argue that even people who are great on the caffeine side, genetically still, it’s not beneficial for any of us to drink caffeine at nine o’clock at night, just throwing that out there, but it’s helpful to be able to understand that. And like, if you’re like me, it can be a much more dramatic feeling than someone who is actually much better on sort of that caffeine scale.
Same with, I know in our first episode, we touched on choline. I almost wondered, is choline one that is common? Is this like almost a universal, universally beneficial thing, especially with our diets? I know being lower in choline than they used to be or is that one that you commonly see when you work with people, genes related to higher need for choline.
Dr. Gray: I think everyone needs it because choline is primarily found in egg yolks. And so, so many people have avoided egg yolks, or they’ll just eat the egg whites, that I do think so, especially anybody who’s got the, some difficulty focusing. If you have the variant, and I will say probably I see from 40 to 50 percent of results that I look at do have the variant, then those people would just need a higher dose. And that’s typically my recommendation to them. Or if there, if there’s any kind of neurological concerns as well, that would be another place to take a higher dose or even use a liposomal variation as well.
Katie: Got it. Also circling back, I was just thinking about how with the privacy concerns, I have not been arrested or been through paternity testing, obviously, but one area I’ve noticed that with the terms and conditions, it was actually when donating blood that there’s an option to like opt in for third party research. And that might not be, that might be another area people wouldn’t necessarily consider a security or privacy risk where someone might be concerned about getting genetic testing. But I would guess if they’re having our blood, they could be getting a lot of data from that as well. So, just to echo your recommendation of like read the terms and conditions or I love your idea of put it in ChatGPT and have it tell you what it actually says rather than read it.
Dr. Gray: Yeah, because it’s written by lawyers. And so it’s difficult to understand anyways. And I think they purposely make it harder to and so it’s in the really the onus is on the purchaser. And so just being aware and you know, it’s okay if you have made a mistake or, you know, you’ve, some of the things that we discussed in this podcast, you’ve done that. It’s okay. Like really, I don’t think that in the grand scheme of things, it is as dramatic of a problem as sometimes people are making it out to be.
Katie: I would love to also talk a little bit more about the kind of hands-on training that you do with people related to genetics because I do feel like especially when this was first available, people would get these reports with hundreds of thousands of lines of, you know, kind of code that doesn’t make any sense. And it’s like, great. Now you have all of your genetics and it’s much akin to like having a garage gym and never using it unless we actually know how to actually apply this. It’s not going to do as much good.
And I know that’s been a large focus for you and that you really want to help empower people to make change based on these tests, not just know their genes, but actually create positive shifts in their life based on that understanding. So, just walk us through what you have available. I’ll link to it, of course, in the show notes as well, but how you help really empower people to sort of start to create change based on their understanding.
Dr. Gray: So the first place is everybody chooses a genetic test for a very personal reason, and it typically falls into three categories. One of them is that they’re curious about if how they’ve been living their life actually matches up with what their body needs. The second is typically a health scare that they have had, or the third is that they have seen a family member suffer or they have seen either they have been personally let down by the medical system or a family member has been let down by the medical system. And so they really want to take their health into their hands.
So the person who is ordered a genetic test because they are really just curious and the kind of more of a biohackers can be very different from somebody who’s really concerned with that health scare. The first thing that we do in this group coaching is they identify their why, why did you order this genetic test and what are three things that you want to change or that you want to improve on? Because that is different for every single person and that is also going to drive your change and what you’re willing to undertake or not in your lifetime.
And then what we go through is once you’ve identified that is now let’s take a look at your genetics and then we’ll go through some different examples so that they learn how to read the results and what does it mean and you know kind of diving in deeper like the caffeine example, because then the common one that I, the flip side to it, if someone’s a fast caffeine metabolizer, they’ll say, oh, well, this is great. I can drink it all day long. Or the other one is that they’re athletes. And so how do you utilize it? Because especially with the teenagers, Monster drinks, those five-hour energy drinks, you, if you’re a slow caffeine metabolizer and you drink one of those, yes, you are going to get a surge just simply because of adrenaline, but you’re not going to get those caffeine benefits because you’re a slow caffeine metabolizer. Don’t bother. But if you’re fast, you could judiciously with the right dose at the right time, potentially help yourself with that.
So it’s having those types of discussions again, one of the, I asked people for questions about why did they order the test? What are they hoping to learn about it? So then each group gets customized as well. And so I can really tailor the discussion to what the interest are. They can also ask questions and then if anyone is comfortable, they can actually ask me to go through their results with them live. And so it will be shared in a group situation, but the whole goal is what do you need to start with? What do we need to focus on? Here are some different genes. Go look in your report for this information and then leading them through this workbook so that they can when we finish at that hour, they go, great, I now know what to do and they don’t just put their genetics on the proverbial shelf and say, well, that was great, but I’m not going to do anything with it.
Katie: I love that, and I mean coming full circle how we started our first episode together talking about how your genetics are not your destiny. The flip side of that being of course like understanding them actually puts you in a much bigger place of empowerment in making health decisions related to your specific body and I say so often on here that we are each our own primary healthcare provider And I’m so grateful to be living in a time when we have access to data like our genetics and like wearable data that tell us what’s going on in real time and affordable lab testing were in such an incredible place.
And I feel like tools like yours help people to really make the best use of that data and see positive change in their life. So I hope we get to do more follow ups in the future to this episode. But for today, Dr. Erica, thank you so much. I learned a lot. I love the work you’re doing. I’m so glad we got to connect in real life. Thank you so much for being here.
Dr. Gray: Thank you so much, Katie. This was so much fun.
And thank you as always for sharing your most valuable resources, your time and your attention with us today. We’re both so grateful that you did. And I hope that you will join me again on the next episode of the Wellness Mama podcast.
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Katie Wells, CTNC, MCHC, Founder of Wellness Mama and Co-founder of Wellnesse, has a background in research, journalism, and nutrition. As a mom of six, she turned to research and took health into her own hands to find answers to her health problems. WellnessMama.com is the culmination of her thousands of hours of research and all posts are medically reviewed and verified by the Wellness Mama research team. Katie is also the author of the bestselling books The Wellness Mama Cookbook and The Wellness Mama 5-Step Lifestyle Detox.
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